Florissant Walmart CID Gone, Not Returning
Walmart representatives present new developments of project, and Florissant City Council gets to work on the charter.
Walmart representatives presented updated development plans in Florissant City Council, and councilors had several questions concerning the development’s environment and safety.
One by one, councilors hammered Jeff Otto of THF Florissant Development with questions for more than an hour.
In addition, new information came to light as Otto pointed out that the request for the Sunswept Community Improvement District (CID), which would have added a 1 percent overlay sales tax to the store, had been withdrawn. Furthermore, he said that it would not be brought back to the table.
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Ward 2 Councilman John Grib kicked off the questioning regarding the considerations for underwater detention, which had been proposed as a surface detention system into a pond.
Otto said that in previous drawings there was underground detention, but the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer District (MSD) looks more favorably on surface detention in these times.
Councilman Grib also questioned letters of compliance from the Army Corps of Engineers relating to the water runoff into Coldwater Creek meeting the Clean Water Act.
Otto reassured the council and public that the project still needed to be taken through MSD, the Department of Natural Resources and the Corps of Engineers before the next steps could be taken.
“I want people to know that,” Grib said about residents who might have concerns about the project. “I want people to know this who might have environmental concerns.”
Otto also yielded questions concerning the traffic flow on Lindbergh near the store, security and trash pickup.
Toward the end, one resident voiced his concerns regarding Walmart coming into the area and how it could affect other stores and local businesses. He asked council to consider the implications of the competition that Walmart would have on the community.
Ward 8 Councilman Mark Schmidt responded that their hands were tied.
“Government really can’t legislate businesses and future businesses,” he said. “We may limit the amount, but we don’t limit the type or who owns what.”
City Attorney John Hessel chimed in his thoughts on the matter, too.
“No government entity can regulate economic issues or business competition,” he said.
Charter review is underway
He said that he would keep residents up to date on the process.
Susan Geerling
4:15 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
I'm pleased to hear Walmart withdrew the CID request. It looks like they are willing to comply with almost everything Florissant has asked of them. However, regardless of what Mr. Otto stated, below-ground water retention is much better and safer for Florissant, as well as Walmart's neighbors, than the less-expensive-for-the-developer, above-ground water retention (pond). I hope City officials make them stick to the below-ground water retention requirement.
Rahib
2:43 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
They should only have to build below-ground retention if it's required by the city, not because it seems to be a better idea to some.
Ms. Geerling is now a civil engineer in addition to being an EIFS expert.
Susan Geerling
4:44 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Rahib, After eight years on Florissant City Council, learning Florissant's City Codes, reading years of P and Z minutes, and sitting in on years of public hearings by developers, I did learn a lot about City of Florissant requirements, and EIFS. Not a civil engineer, but thanks for the compliment!
Rahib
10:47 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Ms. Geerling, that was not a compliment. You are not a civil engineer, not an architect, not a contractor, yet you think you are an expert on EIFS.
What are your qualifications beyond sitting in P&Z meetings to set city standards for building finishes?
c. eley
6:31 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
We need a store like Walmart since KMart is nothing and will more than likely close in near future. So in order to have a place to buy reasonalbe products you need to get of your rear ends and do what is good for Florissant instead of putting PayDay loan office on every corner which brings less than desirable customers.
Rahib
2:46 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
"Less than desirable customers?" Is that code for black people?
People that have to resort to the high interest at a payday loan office have been laughed out of a bank. Without payday loan offices, I suppose their only avenue to get money would be stick gun in your face.
Susan Geerling
4:52 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Rahib, there is an effort being undertaken by Missouri citizens to get enough voters signatures on petitions, to put a measure on the Missouri ballot (for voters) to reduce the high interest rates that payday loan companies charge. If passed, the maximum interest rate would be 36%. This is an effort I support.
Rahib
10:50 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Why stop with payday lenders? Why not reduce the rates of regular bank fees? When you look at all the fees banks charge, the become comparable to payday lenders. How American is it for government to regulate the rate at which people lend money?
Chris Martinez
8:06 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
No CID. Thats a start. Now get the water retention below ground and we can talk. Lastly, government may not be able to regulate competition but when the K Mart building sits empty after they move out, you may want to have a plan. Just sayin...
Shawn A
8:48 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Since when is Walmart desirable every where you go they are just a dump of the worst kind they have employee theft as well as others and then they are able to write it off as they squeeze suppliers for lower cost as well as having unfair business practices regarding competitors, I think the most telling part is the average employees length of work is measured in months and overwhelmingly it is personal chose to leave what do they know that others chose not to see!
Matt Sanders
9:23 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
i am very glad that the CID was withdrawn. this is a good first step for walmart to come. WE NEED THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARKS AND REC DEPT WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. COME ON CITY COUNCIL LETS GET THIS DEAL DONE!!!!!